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Yet again, Roosevelt's Germany by Fenn-O-maniC Yet again, Roosevelt's Germany by Fenn-O-maniC
Must... make... maps...

After few painful hours I managed to make this, another alt. history map where US President Roosevelt's plan to divide Germany after WW2 was introduced.

Made with Inkscape.
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:iconnomadicsky:
NomadicSky Featured By Owner May 13, 2015
Better outcome than our world.
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Depends on who you ask
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:iconnealman11:
NealMan11 Featured By Owner May 1, 2015
What are the white areas?
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner May 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
International zones
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:iconjordytheredfox:
Jordytheredfox Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Poor Prussia :(
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well at least it would still exists unlike in OTL
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:iconjordytheredfox:
Jordytheredfox Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah :/
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:iconkitfisto1997:
KitFisto1997 Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Filmographer
Prussia!
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes!
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:iconludwiggirl:
LudwigGirl Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
woooooow :wow:
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:iconkraut007:
Kraut007 Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Lucky, this did not happen.
Still an interesting thought, with Hessia,Prussia, Bavaria, Hannover, Saxony and Austria becoming  separate nations again. 
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, indeed.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I just love how people feel the need to explain the fundamental parts of a map to the person who made it. 
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
When you think about it, it happens a lot.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yes! On most of the maps of Texas I make there always seems to be that one person that says "What an interesting map. Did you know that Texas actually was an independent country at one time?" and I'm like "Why no I didn't already know that Texas was an independent country despite the fact that I've lived in Texas my entire life, have been making maps of Texas for years, and included the exact dates of actual events from Texas history in the description. Thanks for informing me!"
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:iconcheeseburgertom:
CheeseburgerTom Featured By Owner May 13, 2014
I do what I can.  No worries.
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:iconzeonista:
Zeonista Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
This is probably from the Morgenthau plan, right?
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, Roosevelt's plan.
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:iconzeonista:
Zeonista Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014
Morgenthau was FDR's advisor who proposed converting Germany into a de-industrialized buffer zone. The many partitions and the missing boundary between the Allied occupiers is what made me think of it.
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've heard of it.
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
Finnish traitor the next time that Russia attack you we're not going to help you!
("he censure my comments")
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
We have traited who now :?

And BTW, no-one actually helped us then...
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013

Germany will help to you almost from the beginning, after the winter war,  in Continuation war during the German troops were always basing with you to defend you from the Soviet Union, while Washinthon was saying that Finland were a danger to the security of the United States and wanted to sell you to the Soviet Union to win his war, not yours war.

 

United States;

The United States had demanded Finland to immediately suspend all aggressive operations in Soviet territory and withdraw its troops behind the 1939 border line case Finland could hold, as in the present and in the future, friendship with the United States . In addition, Finnish operations were classified by the United States of direct threat to U.S. security.

 

Finish Goverment;

The Finnish Government rejects any compromise that could force suspend military operations and declares, in a categorical manner, which will continue the war until safety is assured of Finland.

 

The situation in Finland, as neighboring nation of the Soviet Union, requires a constant craving for self-defense against the Soviet conquest. What would be the fate of the Finnish nation itself the people themselves would not have guaranteed your safety? The character of the struggle of Finland does not change at all by the fact that you try to destroy and occupy the enemy attack positions even though they are beyond their borders. Finland wants to finish the fight, but only when the danger is threatening their existence and have created lasting security guarantees.

 

The Finnish Government can not consider the view that the Finnish military in any way constitute a threat to U.S. security. Finland believes that the small peoples also have the right to life and the right to defense. Finland will continue the war until peace is assured his laborious and can not enter into any agreement that means compromising the security of the country's interests by interrupting military operations that are absolutely justified.

United States response;

For his part, Secretary of State Cordell Hull in Washington has made the following statements to the Media:

"By rejecting the proposal of the United States to explore the Possibility of peace With The Soviet Union, Finland has avoided the real issue at stake. Many Americans do not understand why Finnish forces Make Their contribution to the cause of Hitler."

(The real issue at stake is that the United States donīt care Finland, or their interests, or their citizens. But this is not so for the Europeans and for the European Union) (only the logic and the effort can make us progress. Anyone would be tempted to think of fantastic American heroes immune to bullets illustrated and strong with perfect bronzed, and that he expel out all your problems. But that is only our imagination and Hollywood)


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( I hope you appreciate the effort. because, I speak bad English, I had a hard time translating it and took all afternoon collecting information )

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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You used all that time for searching for those but not telling why you're posting crap on my deviations and page...
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
you censored my comments
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, because they didn't make any sense and you spammed them all over my pages. Why?
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013
That comments not, my Replys to DaFreak47
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Where?
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Do Prussia and Saxony have communist governments?
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know. Propably.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Okay, cuz their western borders coincide with OTL East Germany, and since I would guess the "Iron Curtain" still applies here, I would think they would lie within the Soviet sphere.
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I guess that would depend on Soviets.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
They deffinetly wouldnt have said no
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Of course. However I'm not sure did Roosevelt plan to occupai the German States or something.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Hmmm, did the Roosevelt Plan still call for deindustrialization? If so then the German states would still have to have a considerably foreign force in their borders. Even if it didnt, the USSR continued to occupy its "allies" when the rest of the world had other plans.
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013
Yes, today all EastPrussia is of Polland and Russia
do they want to return with Germany today?
I never understand the fixation of UUSS to attack Germany, but how they attack all contries. To they normal will.
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Student Digital Artist
Well since most Germans were expelled from East Prussia to make way for Soviet and Polish settlers, I dont see why they would want to return to Germany now, especially since most Germans have already returned to Germany. Your English grammar needs a tad bit of work.
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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Well
1. I donīt speak english (so, my grammar does not need improvements)
2. In my land that is called stealing cowboy. And we do not like rustlers in these latitudes
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist

Well I only said that because I literally have no idea what you were trying to say with "To they normal will" and since you know plenty of English, I dont see how you can say that you dont...

All land is just stolen from the people who owned it before. East Prussia has changed hands plenty of times, and the people who have lived most, if not all of their lives their (namely the Polish and Russians) would not much appreciate having their land "stolen" back by the Germans.

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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
Well
Iīm not russian, polish or german. So, I only know portions about that
The other day I drank a lot of Coke with several cups of coffee and I was like a rocket. I started to answer lots of absurd post quite strange and so I come to here. Yes, that was!

And I repeat you, i donīt know plenty (plenty??, in earnest?) of english, but from the outside that map have bad aspect. they should decide, and not the United States. well I think it is needless to say
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DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist

I just realized that when you said "UUSS" you meant the USA. I thought you were talking about the USSR. That comment on the USA's "fixation to attack Germany" is completely untrue. In both world wars the USA remained neutral until it was attacked first. And those were the only 2 times the USA and Germany have ever fought against each other.

Im basing my observation that you can speak "plenty" of English on the fact that you can understand the words you are reading right now and give an intelligent and understandable answer. Tell me if Im wrong.

 

The idea presented on the map was an actual plan presented by President Roosevelt after WW2. It was based on the premise that Germany should never have the industrial capability to wage war again, which was a major concern. Germany had just lost 2 world wars and the possibility of a third one was a very real concern. There was no chance in Hell that "they would decide, and not the United States". Germany didnt have the men, money, or anything else with which it could gain a political voice. It didnt have a say in its future, because people around the world hated it, including a good many Germans. The USA, on the other hand, supplied the money with which Europe was rebuilt and played a large role in the defeat of Germany.

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:icondanimars52:
DaniMars52 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
I donīt know why the US was fighting in that war, but as you are a smart guy maybe you can tell me why was Germany fighting in that war?
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:icondafreak47:
DaFreak47 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist

Because of the harsh terms it was forced to meet after its defeat in WW1. After WW1, Germany was in such bad shape that it was easy for a charismatic leader like Adolf Hitler to take control of the nation, gaining the support of the people with promises of revenge and power. He rebuilt the military, airforce, and navy, and illegally retook lands taken from it after WW1. He forcibly annexed Austria and invaded Czechoslovakia to absorb their German populations. It was when Germany invaded Poland, and the British and the French tried to intervene, that WW2 started. This was in 1939 mind you.

It wasnt until December 7, 1941 that the USA joined the war. On that date, Japan launched a surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, in response to US embargo on oil to Japan and demands to leave China. After America's declaration of war on Japan, Germany, Japan's ally, declared war on the USA, and thats how the USA and Germany went to war in 1941. 

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Thejboy88 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013
I've always liked the idea of fractured nations like this. It's always been my understanding and opinion that countries are far easier to manage if they're smaller. Big countries would just be a headache to run.
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed. Maybe one reason how Nordics are pretty successful.
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SoaringAven Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hey there! I just wanted to remind you that this is great work! :D Just in case you forgot ;)
From now on, whenever I see your work, want to fave it and notice that I've done it already, I shall give it a comment instead!!! :meow:

(definitely not a stalker)
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:iconfenn-o-manic:
Fenn-O-maniC Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't know what I should think about this :XD:
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:iconsoaringaven:
SoaringAven Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Take it as a compliment ;) *hint hint*
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